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the right wing romney is no more. according to what happened this wednesday night. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive during his debate with president obama. he got away with it. he keeps this act up or will we have to fight a tougher fight with obama in the next rounded? michael steele is here with us and cynthia tucker is here as well. thank you, cynthia and michael, there's an old tradition in politics you go to the fringe or hard left or right to win the caucuses and start to move slowly, the big battleship around so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do that. he stayed right through the summer and masterfully, wednesday, started to go i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, i'm for education and all this good stuff. >> i think part of that, you're right, in your analysis there. that's what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had shoring up to do with their base. >> can you pull it off? can you make that switcharoo in september. >> i think you can. >> o
the right wing romney is no more. according to what happened this wednesday night. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive during his debate with president obama. he got away with it. he keeps this act up or will we have to fight a tougher fight with obama in the next rounded? michael steele is here with us and cynthia tucker is here as well. thank you, cynthia and michael, there's an old tradition in politics you go to the fringe or hard left or right to win the caucuses and start to move...
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joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
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that is right. mitt romney wants to fire big bird. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back, or do you want to dive right in? with a degree in business from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to go further in your career than you ever thought possible. let's get started at capella.edu >>> john mccain has been dead wrong on the fundamental issues relating to the conduct of the war. barack obama has been right. they are the facts. >> in the spotlight tonight the next debate. at this exact moment one week from now vice president joe biden and paul ryan will be hugging their families on a stage where they will have completed their debate. >> what i have been doing mostly is studying up on congressman ryans positions on the issues. and governor romney has embraced everything i can see. i don't want to say anything in the deb
that is right. mitt romney wants to fire big bird. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back, or do you want to dive right in? with a degree in business from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to go further in your career than you ever thought possible. let's get started at...
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now, opponents of abortion rights, they go with romney, 74%. now, the two candidates are diametrically opposed. romney would end funding to planned parenthood, he'd be against mandatory contraception coverage, and said he'd overturn roe v. wade, but at one point he wanted the opposite. >> i believe that since roe v. wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. >> i have supported the roe v. wade. i am pro-choice. my opponent is multiple choice. >> well, the president has consistently supported roe v. wade. he told a student town hall just that in 2004. >> it's not our position to impose on that woman something that has to do with her body. it's her body essentially that is at stake. >> the president has faced criticism. his plan to require religious employers to offer contraception came under fire, and before that in order to get the health care reform bill passed, he agreed to ban federal funds for abortion except in certain cases. now, to blunt the hangover, ads attacking romney aired, and one democratic group is
now, opponents of abortion rights, they go with romney, 74%. now, the two candidates are diametrically opposed. romney would end funding to planned parenthood, he'd be against mandatory contraception coverage, and said he'd overturn roe v. wade, but at one point he wanted the opposite. >> i believe that since roe v. wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. >> i have supported the roe v. wade. i am pro-choice. my opponent is multiple choice. >>...
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governor romney saying he's never suggested such a thing. who is right on that? >> well, it is one of the instances where they're both right, or both wrong depending how you want to look at it. what governor romney has proposed is to cut tax rates by 20% and eliminate the estate tax and alternative minimum tax. when you do that over ten years you put $5 trillion hole in your revenue. so that's where obama gets $5 trillion tax cut. but governor romney says he will make up that money through eliminating loopholes, tax deductions that sort of thing but he hasn't specifically said which one his would target. but that's how he can say, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. obama can come back and say you haven't given specifics how can we believe it really adds up. in fact every study nonpartisan that has looked at this has said that you know, unless you really tweaked the numbers, there's not justify money out there to fill that $5 trillion hole. >> so, glenn, the president said she's the guy plan to cut $4 trillion in the deficit. here's how he describes that plan. >>
governor romney saying he's never suggested such a thing. who is right on that? >> well, it is one of the instances where they're both right, or both wrong depending how you want to look at it. what governor romney has proposed is to cut tax rates by 20% and eliminate the estate tax and alternative minimum tax. when you do that over ten years you put $5 trillion hole in your revenue. so that's where obama gets $5 trillion tax cut. but governor romney says he will make up that money...
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so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters thin
so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that...
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last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most ro n romantic place you could imagine here with me. congratulations. >> that was, i hate to say it, charming. >> yeah. >> james. >> yeah. >> where did that come from? >> it came from mitt romney. he's rather notorious for telling nox that go over lie lead balloons. this did not. he finally found his groove as far as a comedian is concerned. at least for that moment. >> let's talk about the president. he was the one i think that was the base of most consternation. you know, he was looking down a lot. did he know and what did you think about the fact of that split screen? there we are watching it now. we never didn
last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most ro n...
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the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do it like that. he stayed right all the way through the summer and maybe masterfully wednesday decided to go with i'm for the 100%. i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, for all this education, all this good stuff. >> i think part of that -- you're right in your analysis, that's exactly what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had some shoring up to do with their base. >> can he pull it off? can you make that kind of switcheroo in september? >> i t
the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so...
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there is a noise exception right now, though, as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ applause ] [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentleman, welcome to you both. let's start, the economy, segment one, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes, each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has determined. mr. president, you go first. >> well, thank you very much, jim, for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of denver for your hospitality. there are a lot of points i want to make tonight, but the most important one is that 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me. so i just want to wish, sweetie, you, happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now, we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. four years ago, we went through the worst financial crisis since the great depression. millions of jobs were lost, the auto industry was on the brink of collapse. the finan
there is a noise exception right now, though, as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ applause ] [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentleman, welcome to you both. let's start, the economy, segment one, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes, each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has determined. mr. president, you go first. >> well, thank you...
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right now, i want to bring in ann marie hauser, a romney campaign surrogate and former communications director for governor tim pawlenty's presidential campaign. thank you so much for joining us. you know, the president raised a whole lot, actually, an astounding amount, in just september. you know, and after the debate, observers say he seemed energized at these rallies. do you expect to see a different president obama putting a different foot forward after that debate last week? >> it's no surprise that barack obama raised this much money. we knew they was going to raise this much money all along. in 2004, john kerry out-raised president bush, and we all know how that turned out. so i think, you know, yes, he raised a lot of money. the president, or, excuse me, governor romney has raised $12 million since wednesday. so it's been a shot in the arm for the romney campaign too. >> and that's online as well. >> it's 60% -- >> we're not talking about major donors. we're talking about people who saw his debate and liked what they saw. >> 60% of them are new donors. so i think the romney c
right now, i want to bring in ann marie hauser, a romney campaign surrogate and former communications director for governor tim pawlenty's presidential campaign. thank you so much for joining us. you know, the president raised a whole lot, actually, an astounding amount, in just september. you know, and after the debate, observers say he seemed energized at these rallies. do you expect to see a different president obama putting a different foot forward after that debate last week? >> it's...
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right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in order to, you know, occlude the accusation against you that, i mean, is that how you do it? >> go that, go after the tactic. again, it's easy to say this as a monday morning quarterback, but then you pivot to the substance of it and explain why what he just said is not true. you don't call him a liar or say that's not true. or do something that can end up, you know, going viral in some way that is not helpful to the campaign. just have to very clearly and cogently, and it was cogency that was lacking last night, rip through the other guy's point. >> mitt romney said he does not espouse positions he's been runnin
right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in...
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i mean, this is where the campaign is right now, isn't it? >> well, it's tough to get a sense of where they are, you know, because there hasn't been really good reporting about what they were thinking going into that debate. i think e.j.'s right. on one hand they didn't want to come off as sort of the aggressor. so the trajectory is in obama's favor. keep in mind if you look at the map, he has to win ohio, wisconsin and iowa and keep the states he won -- and keep the kerry map. he'll end up the next president of the united states. they have a very easy path to victory. they didn't want to upset the trajectory. i think if you have a few more moments like this you wonder if that could be complicated. the other thing, 60-million-plus people watched the debate last night. the most people who tuned into the debate since 1992. i don't think the obama campaign should feel comfortable taking that for granted. >> well, exactly. i think, you know, lies are believed by some people. i mean, how effective is a good salesman even if he's lying left and rig
i mean, this is where the campaign is right now, isn't it? >> well, it's tough to get a sense of where they are, you know, because there hasn't been really good reporting about what they were thinking going into that debate. i think e.j.'s right. on one hand they didn't want to come off as sort of the aggressor. so the trajectory is in obama's favor. keep in mind if you look at the map, he has to win ohio, wisconsin and iowa and keep the states he won -- and keep the kerry map. he'll end...
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a lot of people are going to be watching given the last debate and he needs to go right at governor romney and completely destroy this notion that reinventing himself, let alone introducing and proposing the same policies are going to create a different outcome. he can definitely do that. we've seen that. >> right wing conservative talking points dying on this friday in october. chris kofinis, good to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. >>> coming up workers at an ohio coal mine. they were forced to attend a romney event without pay. you know what, folks? that's not all. find out what else employees of a major energy company were forced to do. >>> and 17 days after his 47% remark romney says, ah, he was wrong. and there's something very curious about all of this and we'll explain. stay tuned. we're coming right back on "the ed show." >>> by the way, i like coal. i'm going to make sure we can continue to burn clean coal. people in the coal industry feel like it's getting crushed by your policies. >> that was mitt romney attacking the industry and declaring his love for the coal ind
a lot of people are going to be watching given the last debate and he needs to go right at governor romney and completely destroy this notion that reinventing himself, let alone introducing and proposing the same policies are going to create a different outcome. he can definitely do that. we've seen that. >> right wing conservative talking points dying on this friday in october. chris kofinis, good to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. >>> coming up workers at an ohio...
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so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get to the issue that rich people need the money because they create the jobs. i want to bring in ed and al and steve and chris back into this discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems to be real democratic frustration on this. we're hearing already in terms of the different responses. the romney side is proclaiming victory. the obama campaign does not seem to be doing that. chris? >> when you read "the new york times" tomorrow, you'll see a side bar, strong night for romney. i think it's an objective -- it may be theater, but this is
so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get...
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on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class will be harmed and it's going to marme our economy. >> one last question for you and it is a little bit on the style of this and i realize that you're a policy guy as much as you are a candidate guy but i do have to ask you to be candid on the. was there a deliberate strategy on your part to tell the president to not attack mitt romney? he never talked directly to mitt romney and told him that he was being wrong about things. the one time he got closest to that when he said -- your strategy right now is to say "never mind" about your previous tack plan. that's as close as they got to ta
on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class...
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. >> probably right. >> see you before your flight again. thank you very much. >>> in today's one-minute playback, jimmy fallon providing a satiric al view on the debate playing mitt romney. >> make sure we get a chance to -- >> we should just, shut your yapper a little bit. >> all right, and i respect that the governor -- >> jeb -- do us all a favor and just zhhhh. we don't need you. >> i think that's a little -- >> that's a little -- just leave and do whatever you want. okay? >> i'm the moderator here. >> i'm going to have to ask you to stop talking. okay. jeb, i -- >> now, listen, i -- >> okay. >> ah -- >> oh -- >> yeah. >> i'll tell you -- i know what. >> ah. >> i -- >> jjjjjjj. na. >> that's just a noise. >> jeb, jeb, jeb, would you shut the [ bleep ] up! [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's ea
. >> probably right. >> see you before your flight again. thank you very much. >>> in today's one-minute playback, jimmy fallon providing a satiric al view on the debate playing mitt romney. >> make sure we get a chance to -- >> we should just, shut your yapper a little bit. >> all right, and i respect that the governor -- >> jeb -- do us all a favor and just zhhhh. we don't need you. >> i think that's a little -- >> that's a little --...
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it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further turned off by that tone. >> do you think that he was like that because of the goading that he's had from republicans who feel that he's a bit e feet, that he's not really tough enough, that he hasn't gone out and beaten everybody up? >> i think it's part of that. if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >
it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further...
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at least for governor mitt romney, debate and what debate? oh, right. wednesday. the first presidential debate. we got a rigorous macro economic lesson that day. but by the end of the week, the only number that mattered was 7.8. that's because the unemployment rate released yesterday is the lowest since 2009. the bureau of labor statistics announced fresh revisions for the summer jobs numbers. in fact, july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than were originally reported. and the household survey showed is an exceptionally strong month with 873,000 more employed americans last month than in july. president obama was back on the trail yesterday trying to temper his enthusiasm. >> today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> mr. romney, of course, saw it a little differently. >> the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> good try b
at least for governor mitt romney, debate and what debate? oh, right. wednesday. the first presidential debate. we got a rigorous macro economic lesson that day. but by the end of the week, the only number that mattered was 7.8. that's because the unemployment rate released yesterday is the lowest since 2009. the bureau of labor statistics announced fresh revisions for the summer jobs numbers. in fact, july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than were originally reported....
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you have all this craziness on the right that mitt romney is not standing up. this is where the president said, he won't stand up to the craziness on the right. he didn't stand up to donald trump with the whole thing about the birthers. he's not standing up to -- >> morris, if you were a republican, morris, would you be standing? what would your reaction be? would you be saying something doesn't pass the smell test here? >> i would do what mccain did when a woman said those bad things about president obama, and he told her she was wrong. you need to stand up for the right thing. it's funny when the numbers work to the advantage of the republicans, everyone's happy with it. but when it doesn't work to their advantage, it's a conspiracy. do the right thing -- >> there's a conspiracy on the other side, morris, come on. >> i'm talking about what you guys are saying right now. i'm not talking about what the on the right or the left right now. jack welsh has done this, donald trump has done this, mitt romney hasn't stood up to anyone on the craziness on his party. th
you have all this craziness on the right that mitt romney is not standing up. this is where the president said, he won't stand up to the craziness on the right. he didn't stand up to donald trump with the whole thing about the birthers. he's not standing up to -- >> morris, if you were a republican, morris, would you be standing? what would your reaction be? would you be saying something doesn't pass the smell test here? >> i would do what mccain did when a woman said those bad...
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what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor against
what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set...
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>> right. >> why not jump in and say, well, just a minute, governor romney. you just said i will pass a tax cut, but i will not pass a tax cut because if you do pass a tax cut, it's going to add to the deficit. so which is it? you know, you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence. and that sort of thing. and, again, one has to expect that the next debate will be different. but i thought there were 15 opportunities to jump in and say, gvovernor romney, that doesn't parse with what you just said, or that doesn't parse with what you said last week or, you know, gee, what about the 47%? but anyhow. that was the other night, and i guess we'll move on. >> i think we have a tendency to overthink these things in terms of the debate meant this, the debate meant that. most people aren't sitting around waiting for the fact checkers to show up. most people don't have paul krugman on speed dial to verify what was said or not said. but most people watching the debate know one thing about it. and they know that there's a lot of debate prep that goes on with both of t
>> right. >> why not jump in and say, well, just a minute, governor romney. you just said i will pass a tax cut, but i will not pass a tax cut because if you do pass a tax cut, it's going to add to the deficit. so which is it? you know, you're contradicting yourself in the same sentence. and that sort of thing. and, again, one has to expect that the next debate will be different. but i thought there were 15 opportunities to jump in and say, gvovernor romney, that doesn't parse with...